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    Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 6:02pm
A typical lesson plan is to get ONE concept through during one lesson. You might be able to teach the order of sharps in 30 seconds, but it will take the entire lesson for that idea to sink in and crystallize in the student's brain. And sometimes (okay, many times) it will take several lessons for ONE idea to sink in. I used to teach much smarter kids, so I tend to rush through ideas, but having worked with REALLY slow kids, I now teach very very VERY slowly.

Some instrumental teachers try to incorporate a bit of theory into each lesson right from the start, but many teachers don't teach it at all until the grade 5 exam looms. This is sometimes because they are not confident themselves, but often it's due to time restraints. It's difficult to fit much in when lessons are so short.
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Learn and play A minor and nothing else for a month (just the sale; no chords). I've created a lot of loops with different rhythms and feels and sounds with just that scale. Instead of worrying about cramming my brain with chords and other scales and intervals and who knows what, I've been enjoying making music in one scale (and it feels like music on a feel/emotional level because I'm comfortable with the scale). Starting slow because it can be overwhelming. Once you know the combination it remains the same throughout the various keys. But don’t let theory get in the way of creativity. It can help and give you new tricks like transposition.

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The thing about music is that if it sounds right. It's not like building a bridge, where you need a theoretical model to back you up. I took a dozen or so bass guitar lessons a year or so back. 
The bass lessons were great and within a few weeks my beats improved some in terms of composition.
Pick an instrument you can use in your own stuff and go for a few lessons - see how it goes.
ive always had an acoustic guitar in the house since I was a kid but am what I'd describe as a 'strummer' as opposed to a 'player'.
"Music Theory" is a misnomer. It implies that making music is something like a theoretical science. Bottom line is you can read every work of music theory ever written but you'll still have no idea what C Major feels like to hear, which is what music is.
A way of giving instructions to an orchestra, or writing journal articles about different patterns in music. I have yet to see any evidence that music theory really contributes anything to music as an art, except that learning a lot of music theory and practicing a lot are correlated, so music theory and musical skill are correlated. Maybe it helps organise your mind. No-ones proven it.
Music theory is mostly terminological, descriptive and organisational. You spend a lot of time learning 'rules' just to hear about someone who is a genius for ignoring them all. Music theory is just way of communicating ideas about music without having to play the music.
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1) Music 'theory' by whcih I mean an understanding of how sets of notes form a scale / chord / etc

2) 'Implementation' meaning how you actually go about playing it.

The theory part has different aspects of emphasis depending on what you want to play, and the implementation part is effectively your chosen instrument (incidentally I mainly play guitar)

So your question is about a bit of both.

If going back to basics, I have found that the best way to learn to pay a song is to listen to it, and find it on the instrument. It's on there somewhere- all of it ! you just have to find it, even if it's just some basic notes, one at a time, that fit with the tune. Play along to the original (as you're learning piano, pehaps use headphones so that you can hear the original tune over your own playing). Then look it up -perhaps google & find a web page with the chords listed. If you dont know how to play the chords, no worries- more web research will quickly show you how. It'll feel like horribly slow progress at first while you get to grips with each chord, but one brilliant thing about learinng music is that it builds on itself and all skills become re-usable elsewhere.

Concentrate on a part of the song, get it right, then move on - it's important to hear back the song in what you're paying (rather than just a disjointed noise which it might be at first), so there's good reward in making a certain part, eg a verse. Work at a basic level, even if it's super-slow or a bit uncertain) before you get to grips with the next bit.

Once you've had a crack at all the parts, glue it all together and keep playing the song all the way through, even if you make a horrible mistake. That way you play all the parts everytime, easy and difficult.

Notice that there's precious little here about music notation. That's because music notation doesn't make music. You playing does :-) So the real answer is just to play !

What will happen is that as you learn basic chords for the song, you'll start to see how they fit toigether and will notice that two chords might be the same (eg A and B) just 'moved about' a bit. This is the beginning of the music theory making itself apparent.

Regarding muscle memory: I think it doens't quite work how you anticipate: Muscle memory will help you repeatedly play chords because youre hands will naturally land on the right keys for a given chords. However when you're playing another song, perhaps using a chord whcih is in "close to you", the context of the same chord is often different enough for it not to feel associated.

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Many piano teachers suggest that the student’s lesson length be a preliminary rule of thumb for a daily practice goal. This rule of thumb is most appropriate for the earlier levels. At more advanced levels, piano practice requirements can be much higher, depending on the student's ambitions. Other piano teachers base practice recommendations on age, on level, on motivation, or a combination of those three factors.

For four-and- five year old beginners, 10 minutes of practice time is a common recommendation, unless the child is a prodigy or unusually self-motivated. The important goal for these very young piano students is to establish practice as a routine, daily responsibility and to make it fun. If these ideas can be intertwined, the child is less likely to resist practice later, when the time requirements are greater.

For seven-to- ten year old beginners, a half an hour a day is a good starting point. More motivated and talented children may practice more, but in general, a half an hour of daily mindful practice will yield good results.

Once students reach the intermediate level, satisfying progress requires closer to 45 minutes a day, because the material is more complex and more difficult to master. Without that commitment, intermediate-level piano pieces may take weeks to learn, students may get frustrated, and forward progress will be minimal. At this stage, piano students also need to make time in their practice schedules for more technical drills, including etudes, scales, and arpeggios, which at the intermediate level might require 15 minutes or so a day.

More advanced students' progress will very much depend on their goals. With 45 minutes of daily practice, an advanced student can continue to learn new repertoire, although not at a fast rate. An hour a day will yield more satisfying results. Recreational high-school and adult pianists who have achieved an intermediate-to-advanced fluency in playing classical music, popular songs, and hymns, will find that a practice routine of 45 minutes to an hour a day is more than enough to maintain technique, learn new material, and develop skills.

More ambitious high-school students who enroll in adjudications and competitions often find themselves practicing two or more hours a day. Those planning to audition for elite musical college programs may practice three hours a day.

Advanced Piano Students and Practice

At the college performance level, where students are majoring in music and practicing to be professional musicians, many piano majors practice between three and six hours a day, depending on the school.

Pianists practicing more than two or three hours a day should divide their practice time into smaller units, perhaps an hour or two in the morning, at mid-day, and in the evening. Or they should take frequent breaks. Breaking up practice helps prevent carpal tunnel syndrome and tendinitis, which are repetitive stress injuries that can occur with over-use or incorrect technique. Discuss any cramping, stiffness, or hand tremors with a teacher, who should be able to recommend relaxation techniques and other ways of preventing the problem.

For all students, from beginners to virtuosi, it’s also important to note that a smaller amount of mindful, attentive, and creative piano practice is far more effective than many hours of repetitive, mindless drills that simply reinforce bad habits and mistakes. Small children may need parents to help them practice effectively and correctly.

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Parents love Grades, because they understand them. Saying “ooh, she/he’s studying for Grade Six,” about one child or another.
Teachers love grades, because they reveal their prowess as a teacher. I too signed up for ABRSM Grade 8 (piano) a year or so ago to set myself a new challenge. It took two years for me to get there and I scraped the overall exam with a pass of 130. The actual day was a horrendous experience. I can quietly say “I took Grade Eight a few years ago,” when people ask “can you play piano?” and nothing more needs to be said.
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Right at the beginning students were pretty disinterested, and most of them still didn’t understand why doing music theory was actually going to help them in music study. So we need to explain how having a thorough knowledge of keys, chords and intervals not only helps you understand music and learn songs faster, but it also allows you to transpose a song instantly in your head. It allows you to create altered chords that sound awesome by playing an entirely different chord to what the rest of the band is playing. When you can do this, you find that you have so much more musical freedom in your playing. It allows you to understand what you hear, and gives you a vocabulary for explaining it. This is applicable music theory. After that, the class was pretty eager to start learning some music theory.

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Teachers play an important role. So far I have come across more "unskilled" piano teachers than theory ones. Perhaps it's because little time is spent on theory for starters. It is difficult to balance the practical and theoretical side of things especially when the student is not strong in both. I will make the younger ones take grade 1 as a starting point, it is like an entry into theory exam.
Why is it quite difficult for a lot of teachers because of time limitation to teach both theory and practical.
I am actually considering to send students to take grade 3 Practical Musicianship first before grade 5 Theory. I think the syllabus is actually quite good and helps student to apply the theory concepts in practice.

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My daughter's teacher asked us if we will like my daughter to do Grade 3 next Oct or Grade 2 in Mar, I decided for Grade 3 in Oct as she has just started on Grade 2 and may not be well prepared.
I heard from my colleague, the older the child, the more likely she can do well in the theory exam. There is really no need to do the grade 1-4 theory exams with ABRSM. Good to cover the contents, but exam is not required.
Considerations when sending for theory exams: Age and Alignment with practical exams

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